Multiple Sclerosis and Apathy

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Being a current couch dweller (a loving term for an MSer who finds herself stuck to her couch), I have a lot of time to ponder why. I’m not clinically depressed, because I was twice in the past and both times it took therapy and medication to pry me off of the couch. I’m also not overly fatigued– I’ve been there and know the huge difference. These said conditions can both be severely debilitating and two of the biggest reasons people with multiple sclerosis end up stuck on the couch.

So then what is going on with me?……Simple: MS apathy. This is my loving term for having MS and no steady occupation. I don’t only mean a job; I also mean basic occupation or what fills up the day. Not too many people out in the work force ever think about this. They usually suffer from the opposite: stress. The same is true for stay-at-home moms and dads.

I’ve suffered from apathy in the past. I think it comes from not having a definite, concrete reason to leave the house. I’ve been volunteering two week days and one week night at the library and I have some writing assignments that are keeping me busy, but I have to say that when I leave the library, I sometimes get a twinge of longing to work outside of the home again. This has been a problem for me in the past few years, so I am coming to terms with finding a new path that is more flexible and won’t make me reneg on work commitments.

So the apathy ebbs and flows, just like MS depression, fatigue, and other symptoms. This is what I’ve learned in the past and the following tricks I’m presently using to get “unstuck”:

Scheduling things that are commitments but not demands

When feeling apathetic and in need of a gentle push out the door, try to plan things to get out of the house. These commitments can be volunteer hours, regular visits with friends or relatives, regular therapist appointments, interesting group meetings, fun classes, and so on. They are things that should be done, to get the body up and moving, but not hard demands that lead to guilt and frustration if cancelled.

Scheduling things during the best hours of operation

Are you a morning person with the most energy during this time? Or do you gain speed later in the day? I myself will turn into a night owl if left to my natural rhythms. My Betaseron shots also tend to give me a “hangover”, with slight to moderate flu-like symptoms until about 11am or so. For this reason, I make most of my commitments after 12pm, unless absolutely necessary. This way I have less of a chance of bailing out and feeling bad about it. I also find doing things in small blocks of time keeps me committed and not overwhelmed.

Finding a comfortable level of outside occupation

This always stymies me. It’s difficult to find a happy medium between overdoing it and being completely underwhelmed. Somehow the housework grows boring and the computer overheats, but venturing out can be scary because MSers as a group do not always know what will be okay and what will be completely draining and overwhelming. Sometimes it’s a matter of trial and error. Finding a stimulating but not overwhelming level of occupation can help control apathy.

This is what I’m currently working on as I try to see (yet again) what is just right for me. I’m not completely apathetic, just slightly bored….

10 comments

  • I could not have written it better myself. I am where you are right now. Only I am having more of a problem navigating Apathy as it is new to me this year. Actually all of this new MS progression is new to me this year, so I am trying to adjust as quickly and best as possible.

    Sounds like you have a good handle already on the balance between being underwhelmed and overdoing it.

    Question for you – you are on Betaseron. I’ve just recently tried and quit Rebif after some severe reactions to it in regards to anxiety and depression. Does Betaseron affect those 2 MS Symptoms as well in a negative way?

  • Jen

    I’ve been apathetic so many times in the past few years— I’m so sick of it! I volley between being out in the world and then relapsing to being home and recuperating to an apathetic, bored status. I can’t honestly tell if apathy spawns depression or vice-versa. Neither are good. I’m pretty much bored.

    I think Betaseron also causes depression. All the interferons— Avonex, Betaseron, and Rebif– can. I take an antidepressant so it’s hard to say if Betaseron would make me depressed. But I did go off of the antidepressant for a while and I was a bit edgier. On the antidepressant, I’m pretty functional, even with the Betaseron.

  • I honestly believe (without any scientific proof/evidence) chemical changes in the brain of an MSer promote exactly what you are describing…there is a feeling of disconnect with the world or sometimes as if poking at the world through Saran Wrap, which FEELS mentally spawned in nature, but truly “may” be neurological in pathology.

    I’m just sayin…LOL I DO work more than full time and I get what you describe even GETTING out of the house mostly daily. WOOT?!?

    Linda D. in Seattle

  • Jen

    Linda–

    I just prodded my poor husband out of deep sleep to get in the shower and get the hell to work. I watch his apathy a lot of mornings as he struggles to get into the shower. His job is so stressful (he’s a trader at a small investment firm)and I think this makes him ambivalent about going to work because he just wants to stay home and avoid the stress. Poor guy. So there’s another example of someone who works more than full-time and is “stuck” because of high stress.

    Yeah– I always wonder if I have organic, MS-induced depression/apathy. It’s hard to tell any more because I’m taking Betaseron, which can cause it, I live a bit of an underwhelming life (which can also cause it), and there are areas in the brain that control mood and they can be damaged by MS.

    I JUST DON’T KNOW!!!!! But I’m up early today and will be leaving the compound by 10:30 am to see my nephew. So I’m workin’ it……

  • Well said. I think I have the apathy even though I have a demanding job. I am doing it and trying to even do it well but looking ahead is hard. I just want to sleep. On the weekend, I don’t want to make committments,even when they would probably make me feel better. I am just so unmotivated and uncertain about what I want to do and what I realistically can do.

  • Hi. I just found your blog courtesy of Braincheese. Great post!

  • Jen

    I think there are different kinds of apathy. Seems like a bunch of people are suffering from “stuckedness” due to the pressures of stress and others are so underwhelmed that making a move becomes like moving a building or turning off the tv remote (so hard some days..)

    Cattle prods are in order.

  • Jen

    Hi Miss Chris! You sound like a pre-k teacher. Cute name. I’ve seen your comments at Brain Cheese’s blog….Thank you for reading and commenting because it woke my butt up. I’m actually sitting up in a chair right now.

    Really, I did get out of the house for about 6 hours straight today, so I can’t presently complain.

    Talk to ya later!…

  • Jen – I agree with you and Lanette: I am so there with you! Today I realized that this feeling is like I’m just waiting for something, but I don’t know what. I feel like I can’t do anything until “it” happens. Talk about feeling STUCK.

    When I stopped working, I scheduled a lot of activities to stay engaged but have realized that I pushed myself too far and ended up just as exhausted and anxious as when I had a paying job (darn my Type A personality!). As a result, I’ve had to resign from some groups and cancel a number of commitments. Now I need to spend some time processing the suggestions you wrote and find a good balance.

    Thanks as always for thoughtful essays!

  • Jen

    Hi Joan–

    I guess I developed this site to pass along anything I’ve found that has helped me. I’m no expert about any MS topics except knowing that I hate it and wanting to empower others in a positive way (which doesn’t require any medical expert knowledge.)

    Because it’s a bit soon for me to be out of the workforce, I get really stir-crazy after a few months of unsteady occupation. I’m actually not a type A personality myself. I DO get nutty about editing my website (when I comb through recent posts to make sure I AGAIN did not let a typo slide.) Everything else I kinda let happen, without having to control every aspect. My problem is that I’m a bit hyper in temperament– except during relapses— and so I’m just a horse biting at the bit to go faster. My patience has been pretty much nil my whole life so I’m just learning how to be a slow turtle and let things develop slowly…

    Take care and we’ll talk again soon…

    Jen

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